2023 BBC. Why Alex Murdaugh was spared the death penalty, Why Trudeau is facing calls for a public inquiry, The shocking legacy of the Dutch 'Hunger Winter'. But if you have symptoms, regardless of the lateral flow test result, you should isolate and book a PCR test. Not sure how useful this is but definitely something that needs to be looked into overall. They are nose only swabs, so I wasn't holding out hope but it's so far so good. subscription as described in our Privacy Policy. Ultimate caution would suggest I stay at home, but then ultimate caution would have us still in lockdown. On symptoms alone then you should isolate. Just checking youre not eating or drinking beforehand? A positive lateral flow test no matter how faint must be treated as a definite Covid-19 case as the home testing kits are very reliable a Queens University virologist has said. Get a pcr done asap. This can be due to non-specific binding and will vary from test to test. The proportion of false positives does increase when the prevalence of the disease falls in society. I do loads of LFT for work. As you can see, negative for throat and positive for nose. You should also get a PCR test if you have any of the symptoms of Covid-19: While these are the official symptoms according to the NHS, newer variants have reporteddifferent symptomswhich are more akin to a cold. The only day the line was dark was 12/26. I did this because I got a negative PCR test this morning, so it was a sensible time to try this knowing I don't have Covid. They work by detecting the virus's genetic material, and are very accurate. If so, I wonder if we could flag this together to our Rheumatology depts. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. Im RF positive and have been doing lateral flow tests twice a week for several months and Ive not had any false positives. If youve been affected by coronavirus and want up to date advice, visit the Gov.uk help page here. However, the PCR tests have consistently come back negative. I have read about this too. You can WhatsApp us on 07423 720 250. My Dr has never heard of this either but it going to write to the virology department at St Thomas' hospital to flag is as an issue. My 10 year old was sent home from school as they had lots of cases, LF in the evening had a very feint line. Around 4.9 million people in the UK are believed to have had Covid-19 in the week ending. done subsequent lateral flow tests (all positive) and 3 PCR tests (all negative). Thanks, Claire x. Hi Claire, I am so sorry you're going through this too but so relieved to have found someone in the same position! The following day I received a negative result for the PCR but tested positive twice more on Lateral flows. After completing your LFT you should wait 30 minutes for the test to interpret the results from your swabs. You do not need to isolate and you do not need to book a PCR. But the results of these tests are not so black and white. Its not the first time that this has come up with other experts saying that the meaning of a faint positive line on your Covid-19 test depends on timing. Their email address is: bsr@rheumatology.org.uk if you feel you want to share your experience too. I understand false negatives are common but false positives are rare. 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. I took two lateral flow tests 12 hours apart from different batches and both were positive. Essentially, if *any* line appears before the end of the interpretation window (check leaflet, usually this is 30 minutes), then this is a *positive* test and you must isolate and book a PCR. Nathan gave his views that: If the faintly positive line appears after the time window, the most likely cause is either that there has been some contamination (e.g. Positive lateral flow tests and negative PCR - is it my medication? In general, yes, we can reason that the faint lines indicate less virus and vice versa. x. Hi Melissa - it is a frustration - as I know someone who had to fly out urgently on a business trip - the morning of the flight got this false positive and he was fully vaccinated - did contract covid post vacinne - had to spend over 500 as had to do another test at another company that came back fine - able to board the flight! Have you spoken to your GP about it? After 20mins a very thin (positive) second line appeared. Weve now had three types at home, some require reading in a 15-30 window, some not before 30 minutes the others Ive not had before and havent opened yet but, as above, regardless, if theres a line book a pcr and isolate until you get the result of that. Two PCR tests which have been negative. What does a faint line mean on a lateral flow test? Lateral flow tests are a quick and simple way to discover if you have Covid-19. Hopefully in time things will become clearer! I think another person on here has got in touch with the same thing too. A second red line will duly appear next to the letter T (for "test") if the virus is present in your sample, although this line can sometimes appear very faint. But a small study published in the past week, and based on different kits used in the US, raised fresh concerns - finding that some Omicron cases could be infectious for several days before being detected by rapid tests using nasal swabs. A lateral flow test must be taken 24 hours apart on day six and seven of the isolation period, and if both tests come back negative, isolation can end on day seven. mmm theres also PCR false negatives so I wouldnt be so quick to assume the LF is wrong. According to the government's . Therefore, day-to-day I am rarely in settings that I would say put me at particularly high risk of catching it. OK I'm a scientist (a biochemist) and have spent several years of my life developing these kind of tests so an expert. Lateral flow tests have pretty much 100% specificity. Privacy Policy. I do lateral flows twice a week for past three months for my work. The White House said each household could order up to four lateral flow tests for free, paying for the testing with "funding left over from the American Rescue Plan, the Covid relief bill that. About two or three weeks later she got a clear positive result and correspondingly positive PCR result I have no idea if the two were linked. If a faint positive line appears later than this, its highly likely to be a very weak contaminant or extremely low levels of the virus which would not be transmissible. Usually, people who have more virus in their body have a lower Ct value. My RA symptoms have been far worse since then. Well, they work for me! But Operation Moonshot - as it was called by the government - got off to a bumpy start. So its a positive. While most kits have a standard time of half an hour, Dr Hudson-Peacock noted it is important to double-check the instructions and explained that results must be checked within that specific time period otherwise they can be inaccurate. Four subsequent LFTs were negative but I got a PCR anyway, which is positive. Virology at St Thomas' hospital said it is a phenomenon they know about but don't yet know why. They tested the five lateral flow devices used in the UK against Omicron and the older strain of coronavirus. It's there because it was the only thing we had at the beginning. As Ive been shielding for best part of two years Ive only had to take one test just to prove to doc that the chest infection I had was just that and not covid as Im CEV so I cant give you my personal experience. I have had the exact same thing twice now. After getting nowhere, my Rheumatology nurse suggested I try swabbing just my throat for a lateral flow test and just my nose for another. Sure. Email us at exclusive@the-sun.co.uk or call 0207 782 4104. she did two more one in the evening and another on Saturday morning 21/8/2021 showing positive result . Youve got symptoms and youve done a PCR. in our Privacy Policy. Click here to upload yours. If I thought I was likely to be infected I would have stayed at home. If in doubt PCR and isolate until results are back. The idea of population-wide Covid testing on this scale was first revealed in leaked documents in the autumn of 2020. "I'm serious when I say they have been the single most powerful tool in reducing transmission of the virus," says Irene Petersen, professor of epidemiology at University College London. Asymptomatic. no matter how long I leave a -ve one there has never been a faint line. Lateral Flow Antigen Testing For COVID-19 ForPatient-Facing Staff Frequently Asked Questions What is lateral flow antigen testing? The same Cochrane review found that in people with confirmed Covid-19, lateral flow tests correctly gave a positive test to an average of 72% of people with symptoms. Hi Soph, I am really glad you have found some that work for you. Start your free trial. Download 'Turn Me On' on iTunes, 11 January 2022, 10:19 | Updated: 11 January 2022, 10:40. the worst that can happen is you come back all clear so jabbed your tonsils for no reason. It is probably worth doing more lateral flow tests in the days following to see if the result becomes stronger. All negative except this week. I also did another lateral flow test yesterday just out of interest an again it was positive so somethings going on. We will use the details you have shared to manage your newsletter subscription. "When reading lateral flow test results, two lines through both the 'C' and 'T', even faint lines, indicate the test is positive," a Public Health England spokesperson says. On social media over Christmas it wasn't hard to find posts from people who said they were clear on multiple rapid tests taken at home - even with Covid symptoms - only to test positive on a more sensitive PCR test processed in a laboratory. "The best advice is if you have symptoms is to simply stay at home until you are better, and that way you will avoid spreading Covid, flu and a host of other viral infections. Click here to get The Sun newspaper delivered for FREE for the next six weeks. Ive since done 2 more of the NHS nose and throat LFTs both of which have been negative. LFTs are a rapid way of testing for Covid-19. The line on the test strip is very faint. Nathan explained that the appearance of the line may have been caused by very weak contaminant, such as food or drinks. and services we offer. It is a shame that the government is not publicizing the true accuracy of the flow flow test , causing this kind of agony for the public and is only interested in making money out of the public misery . I've been trying to find any information on super faint lines that result on lateral flow tests. Lateral flow tests are pivotal to the UK government's strategy to reduce the spread of the coronavirus by identifying asymptomatic patients. Yes, it says ignore after 30mins, but the point being is I never had a line appear on old tests before and I do feel a bit rough. Quite how well lateral flow kits perform against Omicron is still unclear. Some have had negative results on nasal LFT but followed up with a positive PCR test on the same day. I too have had this happen to me. They correctly gave a positive test to 58% of people without symptoms as well. If you get to day 10 and you're still testing positive, then the NHS has some guidance. Well, Ive just done another one. supports HTML5 PCR any line is an indicator of having the lurgy. You no longer have to get a follow-up PCR test if you test positive on a lateral flow with no symptoms. So that first negative test is likely a good sign, but taking an additional test 24 hours later is a great way to confirm the result and rule out errors in testing. Consistent false positive lateral flow tests for Covid. I did the tests without food or drink influence. and our Prof Petersen says that rapid lateral flow tests are far better at spotting the cases most likely to pass Covid on to someone else. "If it is the latter, and obviously assuming you are asymptomatic at this point, then you are unlikely to be a transmission risk.". Hi Melissa,My husband has had positive lateral flows since Wednesday (so for 5 days now) - the line is very heavy on each. Read about our approach to external linking. If it carries on in a week or so I'll definitely call the GP. The medic wrote: "If the faintly positive line appears after the time window, the most likely cause is either that there has been some contamination (e.g. They have been brilliant and have flagged to the British Society for Rheumatology, but they have said they don't have enough evidence to find patterns. This is where you. Now my wife is positive but our other daughter and myself still negative on both LFTs and PCRs. Dr Nathan Hudson-Peacock, who works in an A&E department in London, has warned there is a window of 'interpretation' for each lateral flow testing kit for coronavirus. 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Have been taking LFTs 2-3 times a week since February and never seen a line, and I tend to inspect them a bit neurotically. But if you can see anything with ordinary lighting it is positive. make sure you swab your nose thoroughly, and also ensure everything from the swab is transferred into the test fluid. I was unwell for weeks afterwards and so was my husband. but lateral flow tests of all sorts can give odd results outside the validated read window. Follow Metro across our social channels, on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. An A&E doctor has issued some guidance on what a faint result line on lateral flow Covid tests can mean. A post shared by Nathan (@expedition_doctor). The test is administered by handheld devices producing results in 30 minutes and can be self-administered. UPDATE! I hope you have a wonderful trip to see your family. I spoke with NRAS, who suggested I reach out on here to see if anyone else has an experience similar. I definitely agree that false positives are possible, I just find it strange that all the lateral flow tests I have done come back positive. Have had first AZ jab but unable to have 2nd due to very severe reaction. Most people at work that have tested positive in the LFT have then also tested positive in the CPR, as you say false positives are rare. I let track and trace know at the time as well. It is important that we all take steps to reduce the spread of Covid-19 . ", PCR tests halted for Covid cases without symptoms, Street fighting in Bakhmut but Russia not in control, Russian minister laughed at for Ukraine war claims. I took a PCR that afternoon. Not sure this is helpful but here is a little bit of data if you are informally gathering some. Says in the bumph, any line no matter how faint should be treated as a positive test and go get PCR. Even though most of us have now taken a lateral flow test at some point, it's important to always read the instructions. Taking to Instagram, Dr Hudson-Peacock detailed what it means if a faint line shows up next to the T within or outside of the interpretation window. If it was a drugs test in prison it would a positive. An analysis of the lateral flow kit used in Liverpool showed it only detected around half of people without symptoms who - on the same day - returned a positive PCR result. I have written to the British Society of Rheumatology and the Royal College of Pathology, neither of which have found it of any clinical interest. Experiments showed the main brands used in the UK did successfully detect all 15 of the samples infected with the new variant. I have followed the rules and that isnt an I was only following orders defence, it was just one of the factors in my decision. To confirm I got a first response (boots are doing buy 1 get 1 free) and it came up positive. Of course, if you are ever in doubt about the result of a lateral flow test, you should always book a PCR test to confirm whether or not you have Covid-19. This line should be present every time you do a lateral flow test. It seems so inconsistent as well. You agree to He explained that if this positive line appears after the 30-minute window, then it does not count as a positive test. Earlier this week, 38-year-old Hailing Hackney unwrapped the last lateral flow test in her kitchen cupboard. London-based A&E doctor Nathan Hudson-Peacock has explained why timing is everything when it comes to using an LFT to detect COVID-19. Parts of that first pilot scheme have now become government policy - for example using daily rapid tests as an alternative to quarantine for some people. Hi Melissa, yes they're the lateral flow tests that I have been using. I assume you have used these too? Out of interest, have you tried doing one swab from your nose and a separate from your throat? "The PCR programme is such a complete waste of resources. Great to hear your cpr tests are negative . I really hope you get to the bottom of what the issue is, as it's very complicated not being able to do a lateral flow test with confidence of accuracy! 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Hi there, thank you so much for coming back to me. Wednesday taste and smell went and flu style body aches. I'm thankful to have found someone with a similar experience! The other possibility I thought of is CSF, as I have high intercranial pressure from excess cerebral spinal fluid, so could have a CSF leak in my nose. Have you logged the issue anywhere? I reported ut to my rhuematology department but they hadn't heard of it before. What are the chances Im positive? There has been a surge in demand for lateral flow tests in the lead up to New Year's Eve celebrations, as people look to check whether they have come down with the virus. He , like you followed up with a PCR and that was negative so yea it is possible to get false positive results from lateral flow tests. I have tested positive on every lateral flow test I have done since May (twice weekly), every PCR has been negative. LFTs are easy to use and give results in 30 minutes. There is a small well at the bottom of the device with the letter "S" next to it. For example, some tests require you to do both a mouth and nose swab - while some just require a nose swab. The false positives had exclusively come from NHS lateral flow tests provided by Xiamen Biotime Biotechnology. !! Anyway, thank you for your post as it has given me some clarity. The Print+ membership where Singletrack magazine drops through your door, plus full digital access, is normally 45, now only 22.50 with the code. Even if you have a very faint line on the T section of the lateral flow test, you should still isolate if you test positive on day six or seven. Did a lateral flow test in the morning of the 6th. He seems to think if it was related to RA, it would have been noticed already but I wonder how much data there is available? If there is no line, that means you have. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. However, these tests have all had false positives (from different batches and my husband uses them with no issues) since my second vaccine and I work from home. If you are positive you can expect to see two lines on the test, while a negative result will see just one line appearing within half an hour. ! Therefore, even if you have more cold-like symptoms such as a runny nose and a scratchy throat, its always best to do a test to be on the safe side. A bit clearer now after a few hours but still very faint. Both v similar - LFD test faint positive in v early stages, confirmed PCR positive, LFD much stronger positive after 1-2 more days then remained positive for another week or so before then . Will the Lockdown Files change Westminsters WhatsApp ways? I'll send you details of the lady I spoke to at NRAS. It could be that Im crap at taking any Covid test, but if thats the case why did the PCR test work when others didnt? Hi Soph, I am so sorry to hear you are having this problem, but glad you have found me on here! O holy fright: even a faint second line on a lateral flow test means you are positive Credit: iStockphoto For the past few months, our lives have been ruled by a swab up the nose. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), A faint positive lateral flow test result is shown in the image above. Have you got a source for that? Update number 2!Virology came back to say that this is a medical phenomenon that they are aware of but as yet, do not know why this is happening to certain people. Lft kinda irrelevant. Funnily enough just done the same myself had booster this morning, have to LFT the night before my 2 days in the office and got a faint line, so our policy is any line is treated as +ve and no access until PCR negative results back. 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This is 30 minutes for most lateral flows, but it is worth checking the leaflet in the test packet to make sure. contacted directly and sent lateral flow tests at home to use if they have symptoms\\" That's such a pain! My RA has been worse since then. Also my RA nurse said she'd mention it to my consultant. So interesting that other people have experienced this too. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material, visit our Syndication site. GP advised that I probably had COVID (I wasnt convinced).